The Origin of Life (Electrical)

[dyarker]

God has a sense of humor ...
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He let Creationists EVOLVE into Intelligent Designers

[MrAl]

Hello again,


When we deal with equations we sometimes think that they are absolutely true
and will always be true forever. The problem is, before we can use an equation
for anything we first have to believe that the equation works and that it will
always work, and if we want to investigate something that happened in the past
we also have to believe that it works that far back into the past. In any case
it's just another belief system, and not necessarily absolute truth.
The equations we have today, no matter what they are about, are all based on
approximations, approximations of the universe as we know it today and as we
believe it was in the past. They are subject to change at any time something
new is discovered, and can change drastically (CIP: dark energy).
Science gets more and more accurate as time goes by, or so it seems, so we
are lucky there i guess, but we can ask the question, "Will it ever end?".
Is there a limit to the amount of information that we will obtain by observing
the universe with the ways that we have available?

For another example, i tend to think that the basic reasoning being how and why
inertia works is because matter can interact with the Higgs field. The Large
Hadron Collider may prove that there is no Higgs field, so i can be entirely
wrong and will have to change my idea about how inertia really works. But
what's next? I would adopt another theory. How long would that theory hold?
Who knows. Maybe another theory will explain better, or perhaps with a
modification that comes 500 years later, but then what's after that?
Is that the end of it, or do i have to wait still longer for the right answer?

I guess in the end there are limitations to both views of the universe,
and it's a good idea to know both.

[haklesup]

Entropy, enthalpy etc. It was just a for instance example. I don't propose to know what variables or effects are at play WRT the spontanious creation of life. I was just positing an example of how science may seemingly solve the creation mystery without help from a diety.

[MrAl]

Hello again,


Without going too deep into this and without arguing back and forth (both sides have good
arguments) the bottom line for me is that since we dont know EVERYTHING about the
universe we have to allow for ANYTHING to be possible. Science seems to be proving
this as time goes on too, as with multiple universes which are now a common belief
when before they were scoffed at by almost all scientists.
Add to that the fact that what we take for granted, time itself, did not always "exist"
as we know it. We even invented the word "exist" for God's sake

[Bob Scott]

........ as with multiple universes which are now a common belief
when before they were scoffed at by almost all scientists.
Add to that the fact that what we take for granted, time itself, did not always "exist"
as we know it. We even invented the word "exist" for God's sake

We humans can logically create abstract things in our imaginations that do not and cannot exist, like unreal numbers, time travel, matter transporter beams, alternate universes and conspiracy theories. Not everything we can imagine is necessarily possible to create in reality. I think that the revered scientists who actually believe that an infinite number of alternate universes exist are delusional, not genius. They want to profess an idea that is not proven. That is not scientific method. I guess it qualifies as philosophy.

Our body of scientific knowledge is empirical; built on previous knowledge that is universally accepted as true to the best of our knowledge. Sometimes a question comes around that cannot be answered by using this empirical knowledge base. "When did time begin?" or "Was the universe always in existence and will it continue to do so forever?" I don't know and I don't think anyone has the knowledge to prove whether or not time has an end in either direction.

[jimmy101]

Very few scientific theories are "proven". In general, it really doesn't matter if a theory (postulate, law, wild ass guess) is proven or not. It only matters that it is useful.

The fundamental, inalterable difference between science and "creationism" is that creationism, being a repackaged form of religion, does not accept the possibility that it might be wrong.

The possibility that a theory (postulate, law, wild as guess) might be wrong is fundamental to science.

To scientist it really doesn't matter if there are alternate universes. It only matters that the theory that predicts those universes has some utility in this universe.

[MrAl]

Hi again,


Bob:
Yes but isnt all knowledge just philosophy?
That's why they offer degrees of "Doctor of Philosophy" (PhD)
and not "Doctor of Absolute Knowledge".


jimmy:
Well i have to disagree just a little in that it must matter to scientists if something
is proven or not or they would not spend billions building the Large Hadron Collider.
They really want to 'know' if something like the Higgs field really exists or they can
drop that theory.

There is the possibility that religion is wrong, and if it is then we all go to some
non existance in the end and the universe dies out after an estimated trillion trillion
years. Nothing lost. If it the basics are true, then it is not only possible that
the whole of science can change in the blink of an eye, but some people may not like
where they are going in the end
So if religion itself loses, nothing is lost...but if science loses, some people may
be lost for eternity, whatever that is.

[CeaSaR]

On the wall behind Fox Moulder's shoulder:

I WANT TO BELIEVE

Take it whichever way you want to interpret.

CeaSaR

[Bear]

As Mark Twain said "faith is believing what you know ain't so!"

Take care all

Dennis

[issabella10]

Well, thanks for the information that you have been post. Actually it is my first time to hear that the origin of life is the electrical. Because like you, I am also believe in the "Intelligent Design". What I am trying to ask is that is it life like also a welding one like a Mig Welding? Because we came from eclectic?
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[MrAl]

Well, thanks for the information that you have been post. Actually it is my first time to hear that the origin of life is the electrical. Because like you, I am also believe in the "Intelligent Design". What I am trying to ask is that is it life like also a welding one like a Mig Welding? Because we came from eclectic?

Hi there,


Im sorry i dont quite understand your question there. Perhaps you can rephrase it? Thank you.

[MrAl]

As Mark Twain said "faith is believing what you know ain't so!"

Take care all

Dennis

Hi Dennis,

So Dennis, does this mean you believe in Mark Twain?

[alicia ortis]

I think i have already seen that in a movie.. right? i just forgot the title.. Grrrrr....

[Bob Scott]

Im sorry i dont quite understand your question there. Perhaps you can rephrase it? Thank you.

Did you see the spam link at the end? Some spammers speaks the english not so good.

[MrAl]

Hi Bob,

Thanks for pointing that out. It's going.